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ycoskun
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| llweyand wrote: | | What is a prophet in the Muslim religion? |
In Quran a messenger and a prophet is defferent than other.
Some are messengers, some are prophets, some are prophets and messengers at the same time.
Muhammed is a messenger and the last prophet. It is very important. Messengers can still come in nowadays. But the prophethood has been ended.
Prophets came when there was a public worshipping and disbelieving trouble.
| Quote: | | Also, if your beliefs are correct, how can I go to heaven after death? |
Please don't do this. All our beliefs are correct. We have only differences. At least we believe in the same God. You call God as Elohi or Yahve, I call Gos as Allah or Rab.
Quran says:
Bakara Surah:
62. verse: Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the converts; anyone who (1) believes in GOD, and (2) believes in the Last Day, and (3) leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.
We all have nothing to fear. I wish we all got to Heaven and we will meet in Heaven, sooner or later.
| Quote: | | Oblio, Thank you also for your input. Very good point that Jesus did call Himself the only Way to God(and the witnesses alive at that time recorded His Words.) |
Witnesses. Witnessing is the most important duty in the world. Every one must be careful not to mislead the people.
| Quote: | | Also, do you believe that Jesus rose from the dead? |
Jesus was never cricified. They never killed him. God took his soul and terminated his life.
3/54 They plotted and schemed, but so did GOD, and GOD is the best schemer.
3/55 Thus, GOD said, "O Jesus, I am terminating your life, raising you to Me, and ridding you of the disbelievers. I will exalt those who follow you above those who disbelieve, till the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is the ultimate destiny of all of you, then I will judge among you regarding your disputes.
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4/157 And for claiming that they killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of GOD. In fact, they never killed him, they never crucified him-they were made to think that they did. All factions who are disputing in this matter are full of doubt concerning this issue. They possess no knowledge; they only conjecture. For certain, they never killed him.
| Quote: | | I noticed in another topic, you said that you live in Turkey! And you plan on visiting the Arch. How Wonderful!! |
Yes, I am Turkish, and live in Turkey. Turkey is a heaven full of archeological places.
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noas_arkboy
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Joined: 17 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:21 pm Post subject: * * Love and Peace to you al Muslim and Christians * * |
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May God bless you al in Jesus Christ name, may his love and peace come to you al. Here can you my Muslim and Christian friends read in the bible if you like, Noah's ark info is in - Genesis 6:1 to 8:22
May God bless you when you read about God's love to Noah. And welcome to read about God's love to Moses when he gave the 10 commandments on Mt Sinai - Exodus 19:1 to 20:26 - and the love that comes with Jesus Christ to you al - it is in the new testament and starts from Mathew 1:1 and read al of it to Revelation and be blessed by the most holy one. God bless you al in Jesus Christ namne - Amen!!!
-> http://www.blueletterbible.org/
-> http://www.geocities.com/genesis8and4/
-> http://www.geocities.com/bibel2006/
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Hi I am Mr John from Kiruna in Sweden. Wyattmuseum is great info - I have a great info in my website welcome to "the sudarium of oviedo & turin shroud" |
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oblio
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| Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| ycoskun wrote: |
Dear Oblio,
Jesus never lied. Never. Narrators distorted the truth.
Quran advices us to believe in Bible, however at the same time warns us to be careful that the scripture has been changed.
And Muslims never worship Mohammed. He is also a messenger and the last prophet of God. You can understand Mohammed only from Quran.
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If Muhammed was so sure the Bible was changed, then it that would invalidate the entire message of the Bible itself. That would make the 100 or so prophecies about Jesus that were filled during his lifetime meaningless.
My next question to you then, is How can you be so sure somebody didn't change the koran to fit their agenda? It seems that if the Bible can be altered, then the Koran too.
The fact is that Jesus said he was the only way to God, his Father. Redemption for mankind is only offered through Jesus.
I daresay that I would be hesitant to believe a work that proclaims Jesus a prophet - yet a false prophet. That in and of itself is enough of a contradiction for me to not place my eternal destiny in the hands of a man (muhammed) that is somewhat contradictory in his teachings (regardless of today's intrepretations). |
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llweyand
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| Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 4:32 am Post subject: |
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Ycoskun,
I just read your July 28 post to me. I've been very busy in Aug. and haven't been using the forum.
Everybody uses quotes from previous posts. How do you do that?
You said that Jesus Christ was never crucified. Do you know of the historian Josephus, who recorded the fact that Jesus was indeed crucified. He was not a Christian, but was a Jewish historian.
Mohammed was born centuries later.
Also, the Bible itself is the most accurate document of history ever written. This is proven by present day historians. More proof exists to verify the Bible than any other.
Did you see the discoveries Ron made regarding the crucifixtion site of Jesus Christ?
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ycoskun
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| Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:37 am Post subject: |
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| llweyand wrote: | Ycoskun,
I just read your July 28 post to me. I've been very busy in Aug. and haven't been using the forum. |
Not too late.
| Quote: | | Everybody uses quotes from previous posts. How do you do that? |
Use [/quote] at the end of the passage you want to quote, and use [quote] at the beginning. The you can quote whatever you want.
| Quote: | | You said that Jesus Christ was never crucified. Do you know of the historian Josephus, who recorded the fact that Jesus was indeed crucified. He was not a Christian, but was a Jewish historian. |
I don't say this. My Holy Book, Quran says Jesus was never cricified.
| Quote: | | Mohammed was born centuries later. |
Yes. He was born in A.C. 571. Howmany centuries later Cris was born after Moses?
| Quote: | | Also, the Bible itself is the most accurate document of history ever written. This is proven by present day historians. More proof exists to verify the Bible than any other. |
Document of History? Please decide if it is a Holy Book including God's words or a Book as Document of History.
| Quote: | | Did you see the discoveries Ron made regarding the crucifixtion site of Jesus Christ? |
Of course I have seen all of his discoveries. There is a crucifiction site, tomb, and a man crucified by the people. But he was not Jesus.
I respect your belief. But please understand me. Quran says:
3/54 They plotted and schemed, but so did GOD, and GOD is the best schemer.
3/55 Thus, GOD said, "O Jesus, I am terminating your life, raising you to Me, and ridding you of the disbelievers. I will exalt those who follow you above those who disbelieve, till the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is the ultimate destiny of all of you, then I will judge among you regarding your disputes.
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4/157 And for claiming that they killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of GOD. In fact, they never killed him, they never crucified him-they were made to think that they did. All factions who are disputing in this matter are full of doubt concerning this issue. They possess no knowledge; they only conjecture. For certain, they never killed him.
| Quote: | | Love, Me (I wasn't telling you to love me in the other post, just forgot the comma) |
Never mind. My love for you is still valid.
Loves to my dear friends. |
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oblio
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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My Holy Book, Quran says Jesus was never crucified.
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4/157 And for claiming that they killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of GOD. In fact, they never killed him, they never crucified him-they were made to think that they did. All factions who are disputing in this matter are full of doubt concerning this issue. They possess no knowledge; they only conjecture. For certain, they never killed him.
The above scripture is what invalidates the entire Quran. It is not a holy book, but a book of deception. Not only was Jesus Crucified, but he rose from the dead and lives today.
I suggest that you visit http://www.spiritlessons.com
Listen to the testimony of Bill Weise.
Convert to Christianity and avoid eternal darkness |
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ycoskun
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| Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:07 am Post subject: |
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| oblio wrote: | 4/157 And for claiming that they killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of GOD. In fact, they never killed him, they never crucified him-they were made to think that they did. All factions who are disputing in this matter are full of doubt concerning this issue. They possess no knowledge; they only conjecture. For certain, they never killed him.
The above scripture is what invalidates the entire Quran. It is not a holy book, but a book of deception. Not only was Jesus Crucified, but he rose from the dead and lives today. |
Jesus lives today? Anyway, this is your belief.
Look. God(Allah) never allowed people to crucify God's Prophet.
Thank you, I read and also recorded this web site.
I'm a monotheist. I believe only in one God, and accept Quran coming from God.
http://19.org/?en
| Quote: | | Convert to Christianity and avoid eternal darkness |
Why?
You believe only in one God. I believe in only in one God.
You believe all the prophets up to Jesus. I believe all the prophets up to Jesus and also additionally in Mohammed.
You believe in the scriptures coming before Chris. I believe the scriptures coming from Mohammed including Bible.
You believe in Angels, I believe in Angels.
You believe in Doomsday and I believe in Doomsday.
What is the difference?
God says in Quran:
Bakara Surah:
62. verse: Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the converts; anyone who (1) believes in GOD, and (2) believes in the Last Day, and (3) leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve. |
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oblio
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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The difference?
You can believe you are correct. But the Koran attempts to invalidate the teachings of Jesus and His sacrifice.
Jesus said of Himself that No man may come to His Father except through Him (Jesus).
Failure to accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour will **** you to eternal punishment.
That is it. So, who was Muhammed? his attempt to detract his followers from the Blood Sacrifice of Jesus makes him a false prophet. Those that follow Muhammed and his teachings are doomed to eternal punishment.
Convert to Christianity and enjoy the fruits of eternal life.
Failure to do so is the unforgivable sin. |
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